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Post by PhantomOperaLover on Jul 30, 2006 23:47:23 GMT -5
remember my topic earlier? my budgies feathers are still not growing back and since u gys said the mite protector thing doesnt work how do i tell if he has mites? and should i put a picture on here so u guys can see what im talking about? i dont want to goto a vet i said that already
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Post by Sheila on Jul 31, 2006 16:40:37 GMT -5
POL you'll need to take your bird to the vet, if s/he has mites. I'm not sure if there's any OTC med that will get rid of mites. If your bird does have mites, and isn't treated the mites can damage your birds beak, and can be fatal for the bird. I hope you take your bird to the vet, for the birds welfare. If you can't afford the vet, maybe you can find your bird a new home, where the new owner can afford the vet, when needed.
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Post by KerryC on Jul 31, 2006 17:41:11 GMT -5
As I understand it mites will show up if you put down white paper in the bottom of the cage and observe the paper in the next morning.
I know a lot of old timers used Sevens Dust 5% in their canary nests.
I have used Sevens Dust 5% in socks that I toss in my feed bens to keep bugs out.
I have had old timer friends put a bunch of Sevens Dust 5% in a paper bag, put a chicken in the bag with it's head out side and shake the bag up coating the chicken to kill lice and mites.
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Post by PhantomOperaLover on Aug 23, 2006 19:53:24 GMT -5
what?! kerryC that didnt make sense
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Post by henryswife on Aug 23, 2006 20:30:49 GMT -5
We always used 'Seven's Dust' on our dogs & cats for fleas, in a well ventalated place, and carefull not to get in eyes or nose, and brush it in good. We always used seven for veg. plants and still do but not for a week or two before picking. How would you do it if you just had to for some reason for a pet bird. I don't have a problem, just wondering since you mentioned it, say if you didn't have any other choice. Alice Wish I knew about putting seven in socks in the feed bens we had for our rabbits.
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Post by Michael B on Aug 24, 2006 15:38:04 GMT -5
Oh, I see. I thought Kerry fed her socks to her birds.
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Post by KerryC on Aug 24, 2006 16:39:58 GMT -5
what?! kerryC that didnt make sense What part is not clear? Lining your cage's poop tray with white paper and closely inspecting the paper the next morning to see if there are any moving little red or black spots? If the bird has mites they will show up on the cage bottom being very visible against the stark white paper. Using Sevens Dust contained in an old sock and placing it in the container you are storing your feed in the keep the seed moths out? Or coating your bird with Sevens Dust, using a paper bag as the deliver system, but leaving the birds head sticking out so that the dust does not get in the nose/lungs?
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Post by PhantomOperaLover on Sept 6, 2006 19:20:21 GMT -5
As I understand it mites will show up if you put down white paper in the bottom of the cage and observe the paper in the next morning. I know a lot of old timers used Sevens Dust 5% in their canary nests. I have used Sevens Dust 5% in socks that I toss in my feed bens to keep bugs out. I have had old timer friends put a bunch of Sevens Dust 5% in a paper bag, put a chicken in the bag with it's head out side and shake the bag up coating the chicken to kill lice and mites. i dont know what sevens dust is and the 5% thing confused me when u said feed bins i thought u were talking about the little dishes that people use in the cages and socks just confused me(even more since i dont know what sevens dust is and i thought we were talking about budgies, not chickens, plus, u want me to shake my birds?
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Post by Michael B on Sept 6, 2006 20:16:34 GMT -5
My take on Kerry's directions, in case it helps you: If you can find the "Seven's dust", I bet it comes with directions. Whatever it is, it's obviously some kind of powder insecticide. It can be put in a sock, or enclosed in smaller fabrid that fits your feed dish, and put with the food so the smell/vapors will discourage insetcts. It sounds like the sock is for something bigger than a bugie dish. I think she was using the chicken as an example, don't you? ...And yeah, I can imagine how my old budgie would have taken being shaken in a bag. But before any of that, did you try plain white paper on the bottom of the cage for a day, and then examine by eye (if your eyesight is keen, as it probably is at your age), or by magnifying glass, to search for tiny insects?? Have you verified that the problem is mites?? There's no point risking chemicals if you aren't sure you have a mite problem. Have you tried to broaden your budgie's diet? This link has lots of good advice: home.earthlink.net/~judyjudd/budfaq.htmlLook at the parts about feeding your budgie, and mite protectors. The easiest basic diet is pelleted budgie food. In the section "What can I feed my bird beside seed?" there is a link to a good discussion about converting your budgie to a diet with pellets. It is actually tough to do, for my bird at least, but is a much healthier diet than mostly seed. Check that out, it's well written. Here's a link about feather loss for you: www.petvets.com/petcare/birds2.htmlIt can be complex and require a veterinarian (as Sivin mentions in the past and future). [Actually, I did a Google search for "Seven's dust", and the only hit on the 1st page was this thread. When I searched for the exact phrase "seven's dust", the only additional hit was mycemetery.com. It was a memorial to "Bill the cat", someone's neighbor's cat, found as a stray. To treat Bill's fleas, he was coated with Seven's, which he licked off and was never the same again. He withered away and died early. You probably should be careful with any insecticide, but judging by it's frequency on the internet, you may never find Seven's anyways.]
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Post by Sivin on Sept 6, 2006 20:37:05 GMT -5
And to add to Michael's post, and to make things easier on yourself, why not just take the bird to an avian vet?
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Post by robibobi65 on Sept 6, 2006 21:49:22 GMT -5
I agree with Sivin... There are a lot of vets out there that will work with you and will even take a payment plan.I have dogs birds and reptiles. I have to have a good vet for each and one that will work with me. I'm lucky in the fact I found a vet that does both reptiles and birds....there are several different doctors there that specialize in different things.I don't knwo where you live but look around you might be surprised how much a vet can work with you. A lot of avian vets will just for the pure simple fact they know you really love our bird if you are willing to make a payment plan to pay for his care. Robin
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Post by PhantomOperaLover on Sept 13, 2006 19:48:14 GMT -5
but what if i dont have enough money for a vet!??!?!?! ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >={ stop saying take him to a vet if i have already said i cant
sorry, im in a bad mood cuz i so mad at my friend cuz she said some mean stuff to meand she was being a control freak
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Post by Sivin on Sept 13, 2006 21:24:49 GMT -5
Hi,
You have made your problem very clear and we've done our best to offer solutions. Find a vet who can work out a payment plan for you. No one can diagnose your bird online.
Kerry is a pro and knows her birds and how to help them; as far as I know the rest of us are not. Personally, though I've had birds for years I wouldn't know what to do in your situation insofar as treating my bird goes. Further, I wouldn't feel comfortable applying dust to my birds because I am just not as well experienced and knowledgeable as Kerry is.
If you really can't afford this bird please rehome it. You are finding the money to feed it; somehow you can find the money to treat it.
Sivin
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Post by PhantomOperaLover on Sept 14, 2006 17:41:19 GMT -5
y do u guys keep telling me to find a vet when i already said i cant? stop saying that! and i didnt ask u guys to be vets, i just said what do u think is wrong. then will simply take all the opinions of what u think is wrong with my bird and see what i think then i will go from that. maybe i will goto a vet, maybe i wont, cuz he doesnt seem to be in distress or dieing he seems fine, just losing his feathers.
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Post by KerryC on Sept 14, 2006 18:26:31 GMT -5
I buy my seed in 50 bags and I mix it myself 500 lbs at a time. I store this mixed feed in 2 trash cans. They are called feed bens so as not to confuse then with refuse receptacles. Seed always attracts seed moths, be in my garage or at the pet store. No one appreciates dealing with wormy and silk stranded seed. To prevent this those who keep seed in quantity use a safe and common pesticide called Seven’s Dust 5%. This is found at any garden shop. It comes in various strength and is safe to use around ALL pets. HOWEVER, when using it around birds one should use ONLY the 5% strength. It comes in several different strengths. This same product can also be used on birds IF they have mites, dogs/cats IF they have fleas. The suggestion to use this product is safer than having an unknowledgeable person purchase medication that could result in death of the bird if miss-used/too much given.
The ONLY vet on this list is Dr. Z.
NO one will “play vet” for you because we are NOT vets. That would be false advertising and as the 19 year old adult you list yourself as, you should already know that is not proper in any setting. If you don’t have the money to care for a pet, that is EXTREMELY sad. All animals count on their owners to provide for ALL their needs.
If you do not wish to take the suggestions that we have been provided, then don’t keep coming back asking for something different. As is apparent, you are not going to get a different answer or what ever you are really looking for.
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